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这个题的答案1、3两个是否正确?大家来判断 [复制链接]

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[例题2]  某公路建设工程项目,其中包括路基和路面工程(60km),大型桥梁(3座),业主把路基路面工程和桥梁工程分别发包给了两个承包人(单位),并签订了施工承包合同。某监理单位受业主委托承担了该公路工程的施工监理任务,并签订了监理委托合同。监理合同中部分内容如下:º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
    1.在施工期间,任何工程变更均须经过监理单位审查、认可,并发布变更指令为有效,实施变更。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
    2.监理单位应在业主的授权范围内对委托的工程项目实施施工监理。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
    3.监理单位有发布开工令、停工令、复工令的权利。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
    4.监理单位为本工程项目的最高管理者。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
    5.监理单位应维护业主的权益。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
    6.监理单位主要进行质量控制,而进度与投资控制的任务主要由业主行使。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
    7.由于监理单位的努力,使合同工期提前的,监理单位与业主分享利益。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
    [问题]  (一)上述监理合同有无不妥之处,怎样提恰当些。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
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1.第1条不妥。正确的是:设计变更的审批权在业主。任何设计变更须经监理单位审查后,报业主审查、批准,同意后,再由监理单位发布变更指令,实施变更。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
2.第2条正确。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
3.第3条不妥。正确的是:监理单位在征得业主同意后,有权发布开工令、停工令、复工令。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
4.第4条不妥。正确的是:监理单位受业主委托就工程项目的施工对承包人进行全面的监理、管理,对某些重大决策问题还必须由业主作出决定。因此,监理单位不是也不可能是工程项目建设的惟一的最高管理者。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
5.第5条不妥。正确的是:在监理工作中,监理单位应当公正地维护有关方面的合法权益。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
6.第6条不妥。正确的是:监理单位有实施工程项目质量、进度和投资三方面的监督控制权。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
7.第7条不妥。正确的是:监理单位的努力使规定的建设工程提前,业主应按约定予以奖励,但不是利润分成。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†

上述答案的(一)、1和3是否正确?“设计变更的审批权在业主。任何设计变更须经监理单位审查后,报业主审查、批准,同意后,再由监理单位发布变更指令,实施变更。”监理发开工令、停工令、复工令要征得业主同意吗?我有点质疑,请大家帮判断一下。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†

这有点想是中国式的监理制度。是否FIDIC中对监理也是这样要求?大家给个意见。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†

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这好像是那本复习资料上的例题吧 ?º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†

我感觉 第一条人家答案正确啊  设计变更当然要得业主同意啊 º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†

第三条不能肯定 回去看看书 º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†

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  2452  按施工合同规定的变更范围,对工程或其任何部分的型式、质量、数量及任何工程施工程序做出变更的决定,确定变更工程的单价和价格,经业主同意下达变更令。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†

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建设工程监理规范中C2表 工程变更单 º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†

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                                                   工程变更(内容见附件),请予以审批。

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 我也看到这道题了,也是有点疑惑!º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†

监理工程师应该有权发布开工令、停工令、复工令。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†

找FIDIC条款看一下。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†

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公路工程施工监理规范 º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
3.3.2发布开工令º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
    监理工程师应依据施工合同具体规定的日期,按时向承包人发出开工令并报业主备案。如无特殊原因,开工令发出的日期不应提前或推后。
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上述规定与答案的第三条好象不一致。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†

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以下是引用李云飞在2006-10-12 20:31:25的发言:º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†

公路工程施工监理规范 º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†

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开工令是按合同要求 的发布的 当然表示 业主同意噢    个人认为噢   哈哈º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
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监理人的权利

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2.监理人执行监理业务可以行使的权力

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(2)对实施项目的质量、工期和费用的监督控制权.主要表现为:

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看题面表达,这工程显然是国内工程,应按国内有关规范执行,所以所提供的答案是对的。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†

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根据招标文件范本(2003年版)上册,通用条款第2.1条规定,停工令、暂时停工或复工令应先取得业主的专门批准。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
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多谢大家帮忙!º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†

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没看此帖好像明白了。看了更晕!º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
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现在国内的公路监理本来就是一塌糊涂,弄的我现在也是一塌糊涂,都不知道怎么弄了,平时在工地上学的和使用的,搬到试卷上用的话,得的最多的就是X。唉,死记硬背算了哦~~~º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
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原帖由 wfywkddd 于 2007-10-3 22:49:00 发表º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
现在国内的公路监理本来就是一塌糊涂,弄的我现在也是一塌糊涂,都不知道怎么弄了,平时在工地上学的和使用的,搬到试卷上用的话,得的最多的就是X。唉,死记硬背算了哦~~~
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第1条  任何工程变更均须经过总监理工程师组织专业监理工程师进行审查,审查通过后,审批权在业主。业主同意后,再由监理单位发布变更指令,实施变更。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
第3条  1、项目工程的开工令在招标文件中已明确.2、单位工程在征得业主同意后有权发布开工令、停工令、复工令.3、分项、分部工程驻地监理工程师有权发布开工令、复工令.停工令需征得业主同意.º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
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1是错误的,3是正确的。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
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看题面表达,这工程显然是国内工程,应按国内有关规范执行,所以所提供的答案是对的。º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
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但据FIDIC条款,第3条的答案似乎不妥,原题才是对的.º×?wÅkQ@sbbs.3c3t.com—¿¢Iè†
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